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  • Developer: G5 Entertainment
  • Publisher: G5 Entertainment
  • Genre: Adventure General
  • Release Date: Nov 21, 2012
  • ESRB: Not Set

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A request to all players on CC

Well 2 requests really.

So here is the thing - the gift box crash has been around since the first tavern update on iOS devices (5th May). In that time there have been a lot of theories batted around about it, some have been disproved but none have been proved. The thing is most of the conversations and testing on this have been in private using email and then the pm system here when it was introduced, and perhaps that was a mistake. Maybe we should have had these conversations in public to reduce the general panic that is developing right now as the problem reaches new players. But here is the problem - this crash is related to gifts and therefore it is related to your friends. It is also very, very difficult to find which friend correctly, and there is massive room for error. My concern was telling people the cause of the crash would result in witch hunting - people posting the names of potential crash sources publicly leading to picking on or mass deletions of certain players, whether the accusation was true, or worse, false. I went as far as to beg other players not to post publicly about this, but use the pm system instead if they wanted to spread the info we had or contact a friend that may (or may not) be causing them problems. But it seems this has started anyway. It is never okay to name a player on a theory guys, this community was built on a better foundation than that.

So I am going to post the information that we are working with now followed by my requests to you in turn. Most of you have figured most of this out already, but sometimes information needs to be in one clear list or else it gets lost/confused:

1. We are ~ 80% convinced that the problem is related to how the game handles some (but NOT all) Facebook pictures used as game avatars.
2. Because the game is struggling to display this FB avatar you might not even see it in your friends list, the game will default to the mystery man avatar or last used game avatar. Recently it may default to a black box (but not guaranteed). The game may also inconsistently show different avatars in friends list/gifting/visiting for non problematic FB avatars.
3. When a gift or ty from a player with such an avatar is loaded from the games servers into your gift box, the game can't reproduce the offending picture and crashes.
4. This produces a "crash point" and when you reach the page this gift currently sits on your game will crash (remember gifts move as you accept them and so do crash points as a result).
5. There are between 2-6 gifts on each page in your inbox depending on size of your screen, and only 1 is the problem, there are 1-5 potentially innocent gifts on that same page.
6. The same picture may cause a problem for some games but not others (might crash you but no one else)
7. Changing the picture back to a game avatar or different FB avatar fixes the problem.
8. All new gifts from a changed avatar will not crash your inbox but all old gifts will still have the old avatar and still cause crashes as avatar for old gifts does not change (like name does not change on old gifts if someone updates it).
9. Stopping new crash gifts from coming in does not clear your gift box of old crash gifts (but clearly there are ways to do that based on JJJs method).
10. Just to reiterate, it is only like 5% of FB avatars, and even those don't affect everyone the same way.

So here are my requests:

1. Do not publicly name any player you suspect is causing you problems. Remember that a) you could easily be wrong and b) some avatars might crash you but not others. If the player is from CC use the pm function here to contact them privately and request they move to a game avatar.
2. For the time being, as a way to slow down the progress of this crash, let's all agree to just use game avatars temporarily until the next update. Instead of naming names lets just all do this together. Disconnect FB from your game and choose an avatar from the (admittedly lack lustre) in game list. It doesn't matter if you are updated, not, on iOS, android or kindle lets just make a deal that none of us can use them until we all can. I vote we all go with creepy bald guy.
3. Don't panic (counting was never my forté)

Argh, Jul 22, 2014, 20:08 PM
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Answer from: Pianosam
Thank you so much for this post!

Posted: Jul 22, 2014, 20:13 PM

Answer from: Buffy
We'll said, Argh.

Posted: Jul 22, 2014, 20:44 PM

Answer from: Sue
Thanks Argh - hearing you loud and clear :-)

Posted: Jul 22, 2014, 21:06 PM

Answer from: Stefanie
Thank you and well said Argh.

Posted: Jul 22, 2014, 22:28 PM

Answer from: LoisH
Thank you so much for this post. I love seeing the individual FB avatars but will gladly look at the boring game ones if it will help get past this gift crashing bug!

Posted: Jul 22, 2014, 22:35 PM

Answer from: Anita
Thank you Argh! I wholeheartedly agree that naming individual players has only led to hurt feelings and confusion. I'm all for changing to the boring list of avatars if that will fix everyone's crash problems! It is exciting that we can prevent new crashes! Honestly, g5 should be paying you and JJJ to do what they clearly can't!

Posted: Jul 22, 2014, 23:03 PM

Answer from: Julie
Love you aargh! I look forward to a proliferation of creepy bald guys, but will miss the fun Facebook pics. I guess it is safer to refuse requests from unknown people with Facebook pics while g5 fart about trying to fix the issue?

Posted: Jul 22, 2014, 23:04 PM

Answer from: Smuffin
Many many thanks, Argh. I haven't had the bald guy since Spiffy quit and I kinda miss him ;-)

Here's hoping all the people with a Facebook link see the post.

Posted: Jul 22, 2014, 23:39 PM

Answer from: NewMoon
Such a simple solution - and without hurting anyone - i am all in! My pic is changed!

I am one of those culprits :( who decided to delete a good friend, who was sending me "corrupted" gifts through no fault of hers/his. I just had no way to PM this friend, cause he/she is not a member of this site. And telling myself: it is just a game, doesn`t make a feeling of being a bad friend go away. This game became just so much more from player-computer relationship, it turned out to be a community of good friends, ready to help each other.

Posted: Jul 23, 2014, 0:11 AM

Answer from: Ab
Great post, Argh, makes me wonder if G5 has gotten as far in their investigation of the problem as you guys have? After having three more friends take a break from the game yesterday due to gift crashing and two others who were the victims of gift crashing accusations it was a perfect time for someone like you who is well respected here on CC to step in with some good information to help stop the panic. Also love your suggestion of using the "creepy bald guy" avatar (personally I call him Curly), he was always my favorite of the standard avatars and I look forward to seeing more of him. :o) Thank you for the post and also a big thanks to you, JJJ and all who are involved in trying to get behind the problem. It is very much appreciated.

Posted: Jul 23, 2014, 1:41 AM

Answer from: Argh
Hmmnn... way to bury the lead Argh, but thankfully you guys found it anyway.

An important point I left out of point 5:

When you look at a crash page - you may see the following - the first gift on each row will show the correct gift and player avatar but the other 4 gifts (in case of screen that shows 6 at a time) will show a loading sign in place of gift AND a loading sign on black background as the players avatar. This is true for all gifts on that page, even ones that are innocent if they are in any of those 4 positions. This means seeing a loading bar in place of a gift or avatar not a great indicator of crashed gifts and may lead to incorrect identifications. Again, let me stress it is easier to guess wrong than right on this one, even with the most patient process of elimination.

@NewMoon, I know that guilt all too well. There really is nothing you can do, and the worst part is that it was because that player was a good friend that they were causing problems for you (unwittingly)

Posted: Jul 23, 2014, 1:49 AM

Answer from: 3Dee
Just butting in here to a brilliant post. The gifts on each page are numbered like so:
6-4-2
5-3-1

This is helpful if you are accepting or scrolling gifts. Or trying to note down names on crash pages.

Posted: Jul 23, 2014, 2:20 AM

Answer from: KaReN
Thank you, Argh. Much needed information.

Posted: Jul 23, 2014, 3:18 AM

Answer from: Brenda
Thank you so much for this post Argh, I went straight to the game and changed my avatar ( I love the bald guy ). I would hate to cause anyone's game to crash because the game took a sudden dislike to Fizzy Moon. Out of my 67 friends only 3 still have pictures up so word is definitely spreading :-)

Posted: Jul 23, 2014, 3:26 AM

Answer from: Sue
Hi Argh. I have the gift crash (currently sitting at 143 gifts) and sadly had to delete one friend :-( I have just noticed that ALL my friends are now using the boring SS generated avatars :-) Wow that was quick - even my 10 g5 generated friends waiting are using the SS generated avatars! You are awesome!

Would it help if I sent all my friends lots of gifts and populated my wish list again now, to try to receive enough new gifts and TY's to override the 'bad gifts' that are still lurking in my crashing gift box? How high does the gift box counter go?

Posted: Jul 23, 2014, 3:49 AM

Answer from: Zme
@NewMoon, I had no bad gifts from you, to be honest, no bad gifts from anyone with their FB pic or various avatars. I cannot access my gift box ; in fact i crashed while accepting the TY's. Prior to the crash it was oddly slow and frustrating.

@Argh, thx for all the extra work you and JJJ put into helping us!

Posted: Jul 23, 2014, 4:01 AM

Answer from: Avealie
Great idea - humorously, last night I was thinking about this and actually changed my avvy to the bald guy. Dat's me, always ahead of the curve :)

Posted: Jul 23, 2014, 4:10 AM

Answer from: 3Dee
@everyone: if you ask a friend to send for example 6 footballs, they are easy to spot when scrolling your gifts, then you use that page as your buffer and never scroll past it to the crash pages. You should then be able to play normally, without crashing in new gifts. I've been doing this for over a month now, under Argh's instructions. If your friends have changed avatars, then the new gifts will not crash your box. Just make sure you create a buffer page and don't collect those gifts. If you go past them, you will crash again.

Posted: Jul 23, 2014, 4:17 AM

Answer from: BCgirl231
Deeu2 that is very ineresting information about the numbers of the gifts. I thought it was totally opposite. I tried that with the 6 item buffer, but I crashed again at 159 several times. It seems that there's a number where those of us crashing are going to crash no matter what....as well as particular gifts being corrupt. Too confusing...

Posted: Jul 23, 2014, 4:41 AM

Answer from: 3Dee
You just need the buffer page bc girl. Probably safer to keep 8 buffer gifts. If you scroll one too many you will then be on the crash page and there crashes the game. I use the bright red first aid boxes, have 8 of them, then when I'm collecting gifts, I see the red and stop. Pm me if you want to try out some things.

Posted: Jul 23, 2014, 5:58 AM

Answer from: Melanie
Sorry to be a der-brain! I can't disconnect from FB ( I can & will change my avatar) what am I doing wrong? Can someone who's more sensible than me give me instructions please?!

Posted: Jul 23, 2014, 6:01 AM

Answer from: NewMoon
@Melanie, clicking on your name tag should sign you out of Facebook. Instead of your Facebook name (box under Experience points) there should be Log in. But for changing the picture, clicking on the picture and selecting one of SS Avatars should do it.

Posted: Jul 23, 2014, 6:13 AM

Answer from: 3Dee
Glad to see this post highlighted and at the top of the list Sgg. Thank you.

Posted: Jul 23, 2014, 6:54 AM

Answer from: Smuffin
Dee and Argh! The buffer idea is great. I used it for a long time but your way is smarter with a distinctive gift. I used a 'canary' (like a canary in the mine to show danger. Bren was my canary because of her bright pink avatar. (Sorry, Bren ;-) six pinks and I stopped accepting. I was able to manage my way up to 243 gifts and keep playing with this method. I posted about it once genre but I was traveling and not all of my posts made it through internet hell!

I was so happy to see a 'Curly' avatar this morning. I still have a lot of friends with Facebook logins. Fingers crossed, hoping for no more gift crashing!

Posted: Jul 23, 2014, 7:40 AM

Answer from: Annette
Hi everyone, I will change my picture immediately (although I'm going to miss my daughters face), and if I have caused ANYBODY's game to crash or damaged anybodys gift box then I'm truly sorry, my head has been in a fuzz for a week and although I've read posts I haven't really took them in, so if I have done damage will you please please let me know, xxxxxxxxxxxx

Posted: Jul 23, 2014, 7:45 AM

Answer from: chrissie Up
Ditto what Annette said (except about daughter, lol). Didn't realise I was still connected to fb! Have now disconnected and am now a baldy! Thanks to Argh and everyone who works so hard and selflessly for us all!

Posted: Jul 23, 2014, 7:56 AM

Answer from: Figjam
Argh the Magnificent ;)

Posted: Jul 23, 2014, 8:02 AM

Answer from: 3Dee
If anyone wants 6 safe gifts to create a buffer page please private message me. Also the gift box holds 320 (mine does but not sure if it increases with your level, I'm level 313). If it's full at max, the buffer idea will NOT work.

Posted: Jul 23, 2014, 8:34 AM

Answer from: BettyBoop
Very diplomatic. Thank you

Posted: Jul 23, 2014, 8:40 AM

Answer from: Southblessings
@NewMoon...thanks for finding me (JeanL) & making me aware of the sitch. I changed my avatar. However, just to be sure...if the FB Logo in the game is grey, that means I'm no longer connected to FB in the game, right? So I should now be safe? I was wondering why I'd lost several "good" friends recently. Good to know. I hope they find me again & refriend me. I only had a few.

Posted: Jul 23, 2014, 9:07 AM

Answer from: NewMoon
Haha, what you don't know! And i tracked you like some maniac through Facebook. Well, what can i say - i could be a detective ;) I should already be in your CC Inbox/Friend request tab. Please look it up, when you can.

About grey avatar - the shadow man? I think that is ok.

Posted: Jul 23, 2014, 9:46 AM

Answer from: Brenda
@ Smuffin, I don't mind being a Canary as long as you don't keep me in a cage :-))

Posted: Jul 23, 2014, 10:27 AM

Answer from: kyoko
Thanks you so much for the information. It put my mind at rest. I kept hearing about bad gifts and was worried I was a sender, but didn't know how to find out. I am not connected to facebook and will continue to keep facebook out of the game. What a relief! Thanks again for your hard work for us. You rock!

Posted: Jul 23, 2014, 10:29 AM

Answer from: NewMoon
Funny Brenda, haha! Or should i say Baldy now? I am that too, by the way ;) I changed my avatar first to the shadow man - because he is the creepy one to me - than i read what Argh wrote again, and again, and i thought: he is not bald! :)) So i changed my avatar to the bald Fighter ;) So what does it say about me, that i don`t find him creepy at all?!? But we are all fighters, aren`t we? Swimming against the flow and trying to find some sense and direction in our situation. ok, i am rambling now, and scaring myself too in the process ;)

Posted: Jul 23, 2014, 10:39 AM

Answer from: Debneedsflies
Thanks for all this info Argh. I think we can all benefit from this advise and as usual, a cool head prevails!

Posted: Jul 23, 2014, 11:30 AM

Answer from: Picblu
I have heard you called Argh the wise, Argh the magnificent. You are that and more. If the world comes to an end and we have to live in an apocalyptic time, I want to be in your camp! Thanks for keeping us all on the right path with good sense and humor. Baldies come forth!

Posted: Jul 23, 2014, 11:39 AM

Answer from: Polly
Thanks again, Argh. I have crashed for the first time tonight. Felt sick as thought I had lost the game. So good to be able to come here and be reassured and find out why it happens. Great post. Thank you. x

Posted: Jul 23, 2014, 13:54 PM

Answer from: MA
Wow, Argh! You and the brigade rock! Thank you for all your hard work and cooperation everyone! Can't say enough about how CC has made a huge difference to the gaming experience I, for one, have found. I would have quit the game in total frustration otherwise. It is so true that this has become quite the community, and I look forward to reading posts and "visiting" with you all as often as time allows. Well done everyone! Keep up the great work!

Posted: Jul 23, 2014, 13:55 PM

Answer from: DebNewName
Argh, thank you for this post. This info is most helpful. I wondered what the latest thoughts were on the Facebook/game crash situation. I will delete my Facebook avatar now. I hope I didn't cause anyone's game to crash.

Posted: Jul 23, 2014, 14:32 PM

Answer from: Fluffy
Thanks, Argh! It's very helpful to have this information out there for everyone to see.

Posted: Jul 23, 2014, 18:16 PM

Answer from: Ronne
Today was the best day I've had for multiplying gifts since the update and that was before everyone changed their avatars - lol! So I've come to the conclusion when it works for me everyone else gets the shaft. Well doesn't that just take the cake, I mean gift. Lol!

Posted: Jul 23, 2014, 20:09 PM

Answer from: Mare
I am now bald in solidarity with all my comrades!

Posted: Jul 23, 2014, 20:22 PM

Answer from: Ronne
I'm with Mare - officially a Bronx baldy :)

Posted: Jul 23, 2014, 20:50 PM

Answer from: Argh
Just a reminder to everyone willing to partake in this experiment (thank you by the way) - please completely disconnect Facebook from your game by clicking on blue Facebook name under game name and signing out as well as changing avatar to (any) in-game one. It's possible the developers are trying a fix from there end at the moment for the avatars that might cause more problems than solutions until kinks worked out so better safe than sorry and just let them at it.

Posted: Jul 23, 2014, 21:47 PM

Answer from: RoyalOne
I now have the plague as well. Sitting at 52 gifts. Now my gift box crashes as soon as I open it. I have changed my name to reflect my prob and cleared my wish list. Argghhhh! No offence intended Argh!

Posted: Jul 23, 2014, 22:41 PM

Answer from: Anita
RoyalOne not you too! If you get 6 more gifts apparently you will then be able to access your gift box and find your crash point. BCgirl talked me through accepting gifts until I could see the crashed thank you. Hopefully I will be able to return to gifting soon! I just have to check a few things first. There's quite a few experts on this now. So anyone of them will be able to help hopefully!

Posted: Jul 23, 2014, 23:06 PM

Answer from: BCgirl231
My gift box has gone all queer......I have 6 buffer items I didn't put there, then a crash page. New gifts come in at the end not the front, so I have to fast-track over the bad pages....and there are a few of them, to get to my new gifts......last I tried I could accept the gifts at the end though.... strange goings on in the world of Secret Society.....all very secretive and hush hush.....shhhh

Posted: Jul 23, 2014, 23:37 PM

Answer from: BCgirl231
By the way, I have decided not to send any Thank You gifts till this is fixed. As far as I can see it is usually the thankyous that cause the problem. It might not be a fix but it makes it a little safer, I hope....

Posted: Jul 23, 2014, 23:38 PM

Answer from: RoyalOne
Have 6 buffer gifts thanks to NewMoon, the gift box opens and I managed to get one out of it so I'm sitting on 51after the crash point. I will continue to try to weed some more out of there but it's bedtime for now. I have the plague. Never thought I'd say those words!

Posted: Jul 24, 2014, 0:51 AM

Answer from: NU Wildcat
Given the lack of anyone else in my two avatar friend groupings using it, I am one of the few who finds the African-American guy totally cool. d;;-)

Posted: Jul 24, 2014, 1:20 AM

Answer from: Annipop
I changed my avatar to bald guy and I think I disconnected from Facebook a while ago. Here's something strange though. I had managed to somehow, don't really know how, get my crash point down to 85. I acquired two new friends yesterday. Today when I tried to open gifts I immediately crashed. Tried about 3 times. I was in total panic mode! I waited a while to see if more gifts came in. I am now crashing at a higher number but at least I can get a few gifts now.

Posted: Jul 24, 2014, 1:20 AM

Answer from: BCgirl231
Annipop if you need a group of gifts to get the buffer just PM me....if I'm awake (Australian time) I'll send them to you and you don't have to wait.

Posted: Jul 24, 2014, 4:34 AM

Answer from: Chy
I switched my avatar to Burly Man and went back to gift screen. There were 12 gifts Was able to open about 6 or 7, then when an empty space entered the gift screen , BOOTED again. Very frustrating

Posted: Jul 24, 2014, 5:42 AM

Answer from: BCgirl231
Chy, You need 6 or so good gifts in front of the bad one so you don't crash. I've PM'd you.

Posted: Jul 24, 2014, 6:00 AM

Answer from: Chy
Thank you, thank you!

Posted: Jul 24, 2014, 6:10 AM

Answer from: Chy
Argh, my problem seems to occur when a blank space enters my 6 block gift page. As soon as that blank space enters my view, I am booted. I changed my avatar as you requested all CC friends do. Also, even tough I accept a couple of gifts, and they seem to register in the little dark elliptical spaces that enter your game page to accept the things you have won, they are not appearing on the page in Collections. On my wish list, I have three cars. I have accepted these cars when they were gifted to me and before I got booted. Then I closed out the screen, went to Collectibles and they haven't registered. So, all this effort to accept gifts is useless to me. I hate to have to resort to the drastic measure of uninstalling and re downloading. I'm afraid I will lose everything I've gained.

Posted: Jul 24, 2014, 6:35 AM

Answer from: Annipop
BCgirl - thank you for the offer. I think I'm okay for now. And thank you for being such an awesome friend!

Posted: Jul 24, 2014, 7:16 AM

Answer from: RoyalOne
So is the gift causing the trouble on the first page of the crash or anywhere within the pages that crash? If I find some down time today I am going to try to get rid of some more of my 51 gifts. Occasionally it stays open long enough to grab a gift and close the gift box. Once every 20 tries or so. Usually it crashes as soon as I scroll past the buffer gifts. Thanks to NewMoon once again for those! Also, I think it's hilarious to open up my friends pages to a whole crop of the bald guys. I still have quite a few friends on vacation who don't know to log their game out of Facebook. I am NOT going to delete them!

Posted: Jul 24, 2014, 8:43 AM

Answer from: 3Dee
Collecting gifts.
The gifts on each page are numbered like so:
6-4-2
5-3-1
If you are trying to clear your gifts by scrolling to safe pages start at the farthest away.
Collect but don't thank for the gift because if your next page is a crash page - the crash gifts will move up a space into your safe gift page and turn that page into a new crash page.
So you need to collect 6 good gifts from a page, without thanking, then exit the game.

Posted: Jul 24, 2014, 9:18 AM

Answer from: 3Dee
Sincere apologies if you have all worked this out, but in will try my best to post this. Please question me on anything not clear. Clear is not my forte! Only trying to help. Here goes:

Get a safe friend to send 8 recognisable safe gifts and don't accept them ever. Gosh I hope I can explain this as I'm not good at putting it into writing. You don't want any gifts coming in whilst doing this, so don't send anything or you might get thank yous. Keep the wl empty. Need a notepad now.

1.Start at the safe page, the 8 new gifts, 8 is just in case you mistakenly accept one - number this page 1.
2.Scroll to 2nd page, if it crashes note it.
3.Now start over, start at page 1, you know page 2 crashes, so don't stop on it, scroll past to page 3.
Page 3 might crash too.
4.Repeat this and don't despair, you WILL HAVE some safe pages. Or at least I did.
@@@@DONT COLLECT ANY GIFTS FOR NOW EVEN ON SAFE PAGES@@@@
5.Try to get to the end of the gifts
You will have a list now of safe and crash pages.
Clearing them is best to start from the farthest away safe page, which you will have numbered. Do One safe page at a time. SEE MY POST ABOVE THIS POST about the position of gifts.
When you accept the safe gifts do not thank or the crash gifts will move position.
Think of your gifts moving forward every time you collect. So, if you collect only 6 gifts at a time, the pages of 6 either good or bad, remain in order. This does not apply to any other platform, I only know this works on my ipad as I see 6 gifts per page.

Also if a new gift comes in ignore it, hopefully it won't. Please let me know if it helps. It took me hours but was worth the effort as we are all addicted to this awful game for strange reasons. Good luck. Geezo, sorry about all that you have probably given up the will to live now! I'm embarrassed already. This is even worse that the games opening ceremony in Glasgow last night, cringe.

Posted: Jul 24, 2014, 9:36 AM

Answer from: Smuffin
Excellent, Dee, many thanks! You explained it really well.

Posted: Jul 24, 2014, 9:50 AM

Answer from: RoyalOne
I'm thinking I might let sleeping dogs lay. I only have 51 gifts in the crash zone right now. I can't scroll at all in them at this point. If (when) my crash points is taking up more of my gift box I will try to deal with it. Thanks Dee and everyone else for sharing your hard won knowledge! I was able to gift everyone relatively speedily this am, the game itself is fine so I am going to consider myself lucky. For now.

Posted: Jul 24, 2014, 11:36 AM

Answer from: Ren
Thank you! This is concise from the many other posts, including mine.

Posted: Jul 24, 2014, 13:08 PM

Answer from: Anita
Dee that is a fantastic post! Very useful for others struggling through this. This is what I did with BCgirl's help and I have managed to get my box down to 35 gifts that I can't accept. Even managed to Facebook stalk my friend who's sending me corrupt gifts (she's not on this forum). Let's just hope she reads my message as she was one of my only g5 generated friends who sends me gifts!

Posted: Jul 24, 2014, 14:32 PM

Answer from: MsCee
I have tried and will continue to try any and everything! I'm disconnecting Facebook now!

Posted: Jul 24, 2014, 18:08 PM

Answer from: Grey
I changed my avatar when I started getting the crash. I'm going to put it back to my FB so people will send me arrows, but if it does crash, it doesn't matter to me if you say it publicly or not. the fix for my crash can be found in "Possible fix you can try to stop gift crashing". here on the forum.

Posted: Jul 25, 2014, 20:57 PM

Answer from: KC
I am an extremely private person so never connected to FB before and I certainly won't now! This explains why everyone suddenly lost their hair, though! hahaha Great job evryone working on this! I echo the sounds of others who say G5 ought to be paying *you*!

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